Hair loss an ongoing problem

Discussions about the diffuse thinning experienced by women, usually after menopause
sadhair
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Hair loss an ongoing problem

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Tom,

My hair loss still ongoing. Leg and body hair also affected sparse and slow growth. I eat healthy. Ferritin was 16.2 in June 2016. In Jan 2017 ferritin is now 40.4 have to raise it myself as general practitioner refused iron tablets. Does low ferritin affect body hair growth? Does it slow it and make is sparse? Still lots of hair falling out from scalp - 40 percent of hair left. Minimal regrowth (and I mean minimal).

To you and all the stories you have been told by users of your forum over the years, what does it sound like? This really is torturous.
I see a dermatologist in 2 weeks he isn't a hair specialist but that's the national health service for you.

I have had the following tests done

fbc
blood glucose
ferritin
urea and electrolytes
hba1c
thyroid
liver
vitamin b12 and folate
esr
magnesium

should i ask for any others?

Thanks

Even more depressingly, sadhair
Tom Hagerty
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In Jan 2017 ferritin is now 40.4
The ideal serum ferritin level is between 40 and 60 nanograms per milliliter. Getting your number too high, that is higher than 80 ng/ml, might indicate an iron surplus. You don't want that.
Does low ferritin affect body hair growth?
A shift in the balance of your hormone levels can affect body hair growth. For example, some people taking finasteride lose all body hair. Finasteride inhibits an enzyme that converts testosterone into DHT. Finasteride is the active ingredient in Propecia. Of course other drugs, too, may change the balance of your hormone levels. I don't think that your ferritin level has much effect on your hormone levels. Your present serum ferritin level is OK.

You are going to see a dermatologist soon. Most dermatologists schedule their appointments every 15 minutes to a half hour. I hope that's enough time for him or her to give you some solid information or treatment. You have only 40 percent of your hair left. You need more than a few kind words and a prescription for Rogaine.
sadhair
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Update

Dermatologist said telogen. Said the hair loss not the pattern for fphl. And the stressors of weightloss and stress caused it.

Said all bloods appear fine. Though the hormone tests werent completed when i saw her.

Dr said hormone tests came back normal. Going to retest me at start of May.

I am going to ask for full thyroid panel tests to be done. They have only done the tsh and t4 on the 3 occasions it has been tested.

Hair regrowth that there is is thin very little is of strong quality like my old hair. The rest of the hair in my head 'strands' feel thinner.

I had my hair highlighted 2 months before this all happened. That part of the hair tangles alot. The part of it that has grown since is weaker than what my hair used to be like 13 months ago, but doesnt appear to tangle when i run my hands down it.

My hair has completely lost all of its weight.

Hair regrowth on legs, arms and pubic hair has slowed down and is sparser. Eyebrow hair started to thin out throughout the eyebrow not only the outer third.

Hairloss is heartbreaking. The worst thing i have ever gone through, it's the not knowing what's causing this to keep going and little regrowth makes th whole process torturous.
sadhair
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I dont and have never taken any drugs for anything. The only tablets i am taking are vitamins and floradix.
sadhair
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Update:

Saw another dermatoligist today. Said it is Telogen. Pretty confident that everything fits. Said low ferritin is the cause for it being prolonged and way to low for optimal hair growth. Has given me prescription for iron from the dr. The dr had twice previously refused to give me iron when i requested it. Even when i pointed out the low ferritin. When last tested my ferritin was 30.

Said it is already improving and that it takes at least a year for your regrowth hair strands to thicken back up again.

All bloods are perfect, not hormonal, age or thyroid related and there is no fphl pattern to it at all.

Suggested if i wanted to i could use nioxin shampoo if i wanted to help as alot of her clients reported they saw changes to their hair. She doesnt sell the stuff so has no affiliation to it.

She told me an interesting fact that if someone in your family or you suffer from diabetes, your at risk of alopeicia areata.
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You quoted, "if someone in your family or you suffer from diabetes, your at risk of alopeicia areata."

The following is from http://www.healthline.com -
Why is my hair falling out?

Diabetes can interrupt this process, slowing down your hair growth. Having diabetes can also cause you to lose more hair than usual. That hair loss isn’t only on your head. You can lose hairs on your arms, legs, and other body parts, too. When hair regrows, it does so at a slower-than-normal rate.

People with diabetes are more likely to have a condition called alopecia areata. With alopecia, the immune system attacks the hair follicles, leading to patches of hair loss on the head and on other parts of the body.

Diabetes itself can lead to hair loss. You may also lose hair as a side effect of stress from living with a chronic illness, or from medicines you take to treat your diabetes. Some people with diabetes also have thyroid disease, which can contribute to hair loss.

First Steps

Speak with your doctor if you’re having any bothersome diabetes symptoms, including hair loss. Hair loss from your arms and legs is especially important to report because it could be a sign of poor blood flow.
If the hair loss is related to diabetes control, you may need to adjust your diet, lifestyle, or medicine to get a better handle on your blood sugar. Once your diabetes is under control, you should notice a reduction in hair loss. You’ll lose fewer hairs and you’ll regrow more of the ones you’ve lost.
Be careful of taking supplementary iron. Iron can build up in your body and can cause some problems later on. It's preferable to get your iron from real foods. Doctors are reluctant to recommend iron pills for this reason.
sadhair
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my fingernail beds are starting to very slowly to turn pink. very slowly. i've been checking the pinkness or lack of my nail beds to others and they are not/were not anywhere near the same shade of pink to anyone even those with light pink nail beds.

i had an uncle with diabetes. i don't have it and no siblings or parents have it.

regrowth none that is making any difference. i have some regrowth but it is very thin alot of it. some of this regrowth about 6 months in length has started to shed.

the hair (not regrowth) also seems alot thinner (strands) than it was last year. does low iron cause hair strands regrowing and those old hairs to become thinner. some of the regrowth not very much at all is thicker than this regrowth and the old hair still in my head.
sadhair
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update: nails still more white than pink. hair still falling out about 100 a day more would come out if i kept manipulating it. the hair seems so weak and so thin. there is still fly away hair. no weight to any of my hair. the regrowth i have is very thin....6-8 months long. there are vellus almost invisible hairs and really fine regrowth. eyebrow hair still shedding and sparse. arm hair is ok
..not noticed much more of a loss there. leg pubic and underarm hair still slowed down and sparse.

this process is so 💔 and frustrating. at least 60 percent of my hair is gone. the regrowth i have to date wouldnt make a jot of difference. i am going to ring dr to arrange blood checks next week, to check ferritin and to check hormones and thyroid again, last bloods check was at the start of feb, so will be 3 months will let you know the results. i pray i will be a lucky one and see improvements soon.

hair loss people said improvements in hair should be seen in 3-6 months when hair loss slows.

derm said when iron raised above 50 improvements should be visible 4-6 months if it is because of iron.

wish i could wind the clock back to dec 2015. i would have avoided the month of stress in Jan and the people who passed the flu on to me in Feb
sadhair
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update: had phonecall with the dr secretary. she said bloods are clear again. cbc, ferritin abd hormones. will get a print out of them on friday. ferritin is now 52.4. haemoglobin has gone from 125 to 135. i read somewhere that anything under 140 would cause hair loss. nails more pink than they have been the entire year since this started. but still more white in them than in other peoples. very slowly turning pink. the ridges on the nails are starting to fade. i had the beading vertical ridge and straight vertical ridge. these are fading more. my eyes had a yellow tinge to the white area of the eye. i have noticed this past week that my eyes are whiter.

hair no regrowth. hair still shedding more than i was ever used to before this started.

does iron def hair loss cause the hair to go a lighter shade? does it cause the hair (long hair) to thin (diameter) does it make the hair fly away, dry and tangly? does it cause more vellus growth of hair on your arms were there used to be more terminal hair?
sadhair
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also how long after your hair ferritin reaches the target of 40 or 50 does it take for hair to stop shedding. it is obviously not straight away because hair will have already gone to telogen and be waiting to shed. do you know? have you heard from anyone that it has worked on? i know telogen is 3 months so you could say this, but have you heard of anyones personal experiences related to the same? ferritin increased to the 40/50 level hair loss stopped how long later?
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