are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Discussions about the most common form of male hair loss - androgenetic alopecia
singhisking
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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by singhisking » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:06 pm

Alao my hairs and skin is too much oily and i am forced to shampoo my hairs everyday.
People say that washing daily would only accelerate hairfall
Is it true? And i am using a prescribed shampoo named sebawash from some reknowned german brand.
Plz suggest if i need to make changes in my hair washing schedule.
I am suffering from acne iasuea also which i tried to get medically treated but that actually worsened my hairfall and danduff issues and i had to quit meds for that.
How can i resume meds for acne without disturbing my scalp.

Plz help.
Yours sincerely.

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by Tom Hagerty » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:57 am

I came to realize that it is these so called corticosteroids that do wonders for me.
Before I answer your questions in full, I want to know how long and how often you used corticosteroids. How did you use them (topically) and in what dose?

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by singhisking » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:21 am

The first time i used corticosteroid was back in (2007 it was prescribed by my doctor to be used with minox fin tab and candidi b lotion), i used it for apprx one month which my doc had prescribed.
It worked from day one, i thought my hairloss problem is over now i was instructed to apply them daily twice which i did, it worked for apprx one month then with the onset of winter its effect was gone.
He had also prescribed minox and fin side by side. But i never understood at that tym what was working well earlier suddenly lost its effect.
One more thing i hv used them always as a cream not orally. When the relief never came back i discontinued meds until in 2011 when i thought to reapply corticosteroid i.e. only propasalic nf lotion, this tym too it worked well right from day one but when i used them continuously for 3-4 days the scalp reacted in strange manner, i mean whenever i use them at day one th scalp absorbs all the cream in full my scalp feels relaxed which i never feel even after shampooing. Because generally after shampooing my face and scalp feel dry. And effect was again dramatic no hairfall no dandruff but after regularly applying 2-3 days scalp stopped absorbing the cream and it was becoming too sticky like gel. Not going away easily afyer washing and with effect going away i stopped using them, i had apllied for 3-4 days only.
Also when i.washed the hairfall reduced again dramatically. Believe me just one or two were falling off even if i pulled them.
I applied
Now i am using them again say from last 2 weeks. But i do not apply it everyday.
I am using apprx twice a week. In the night i apply it on the scalp then i also apply a few.drops of candid b lotion(clotrimatazole+beclomethasone) and then wash it next morning.
Its effect of reduction in hairfall and relaxed scalp and dandruff free scalp is retained for 2-3 days.
But i do not know when it will stop working.
Is it possible to make a brilliant schedule of its usage without fading its effect.
Thanks in adavance.

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by singhisking » Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:25 am

Just adding one more information that I have always used them topically and neven orally.
Do u think i should use orally too?

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by Tom Hagerty » Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:06 am

This is not a medical website and I'm not a drug guru who gives out medical information. But that being said, I'd like to offer you some suggestions, suggestions that you can check out on medical websites.

Topical corticosteroids have been used for many years to treat inflammatory skin conditions, the kind of condition that you may have in your scalp. This medication may relieve the symptoms of itch and inflammation by suppressing the inflammation. But the topical corticosteroids do not "cure" skin disorders.

The problem with this medication is that if it is used even in moderate strength for over a month (less than a month if a more potent strength is used) you might experience adverse side effects. The side effect that you should be concerned with is skin thinning. Terminal scalp hair needs a thick skin to grow in. Terminal hair (thick diameter and pigmented) flourishes best when the follicles are embedded in a healthy environment. They (the follicles) are 3 to 5 millimeters in diagonal length, so a thin, tight scalp won't be the ideal environment for them.

Check out this skin thinning adverse side effect by typing in "corticosteroids, thin skin" in the Google search bar. And, by the way, this skin thinning is usually permanent.

As for finasteride and minoxidil, even though often effective at first, they can sometimes lose their effectiveness over time. This is because of the phenomenon of "resistance." Your body can build up a tolerance for the drugs. What was an effective dose three or four years ago is now less effective or not effective at all. Your body "learns" how to produce more DHT over time even when the drugs are present.

I hope you do some research on all of this because I can give you only an outline of the problem. There is a lot of objective material on the Internet that you should take advantage of.

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by singhisking » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:07 pm

Actually last year i had tried this minox and fin combination but i found out that it was adversely affecting by lessening my sexual drive. Even though i continued it for a year but ultimately decided to quit as i prefer to be bald rather than being impotent. I have oily face and oily scalp too With acne issuea too.
The reason why i asked ur advice is that doctors whom i meet do not speak openly to me.
All they say is that i have seborrhoic dermatitis alongwith MPB
But they are unable to explain why i get relief in a day with corticosteroids.
Sometimes i wishfully think i have eczima or psoriasis problem.but do not know exactly but it works somehow.also as i have mentioned above this skin problem spread over a time of 5-6 years.
I mean that it started from my left forehead and there was huge flaking similar as of now.
But i never experienced hairfall from unaffected areas of scalp. Slowly n alowly it covered my whole scalp and so did the hairfall.
I am not sure if everbody sufdering from danduff experiences the same.
Do you think i should make any dietary changes also.
Can u plz recommend if i need to avoid anything and anything i should prefer?

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by singhisking » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:25 pm

And i am doing your scalp exercise daily since aug 2013, i am unable to notice any significant change but i am just doing it religiousily.

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by Tom Hagerty » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:26 am

I have oily face and oily scalp too With acne issues too.
Sometimes a healthful, nutritious diet can clear up these problems. But this is a large topic and I can't begin to tell you what to eat and what to avoid. My opinion is that vitamin pills and supplements and various well-advertised drugs are not the answer. Diet might be the answer - real food, clean water, plus exercise. One who is living a healthy life style should not have all your problems.

Of course you may be doing everything right and still be bothered by all the issues you mentioned. I do know that hair follicles do best in healthy scalp skin. I just don't know what advice to give you in order to get your skin back into a healthy condition.

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by singhisking » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:53 am

I have acne problem as well.
My skin is too oily(seems it produces one full teaspoon oil everyday specially the area in and around my nose).
I have consulted some doctors too in this regard as expected they gave me isotretinoin+some antibiotic.
But the problem is that this isotretinoin creates dryness on my scalp which increases the hairloss and if I scratch my scap I can see big patches(5-6 mm) of scalp coming out.
When I asked my doc about this, all he says is that either I can go east or west(means save my hairs or face)
What to do?
Any dietary changes needed? If yes, then what are they?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: are dandruff and androgenic alopecia related?

Post by singhisking » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:44 am

Hi tom,

Its been long since I gave my experience.
Okay I tried avoiding wheat products bt it did not help at all, well I hope I do not have gluten allergy.
Now my hairloss was more or less becoming stable.
Instead of washing hairs everyday, I had started washing them on alternate days. But I have one more issue that is acne outbreak.
They are showing no sign of relief. I have too oily face similar to my scalp.
Seeing no sign of relief I resorted to skin specialist. And as you know most allopathic acne treatments use isotretinoin.
But just after taking these pills for 1 week I developed huge dandruff on scalp that does not get removed even with strong shampoo and hairfall too has started in a big way. I do not know why I can either save hairs or face but not both.
What is creating these oil glands spike.
What can I do?
Do you think drinking more water may be helpful?
Another doctor had told me just at looking my face that i am STRESSED.
Do you think that may also be an issue?
Let me tell you that I am.a s/w engg in a MNC but I am also preparing for govt jobs for more stability in future. Is that stress, if yes then how to tackle them.

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