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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

To tom or anybody

I have been doing scalp exercise for 2 weeks so far. However, from the excercise, It makes my scalp more greasy and also more dandruff. Just want to know what should I do, for example, wash my hair more often, using anti-dandruff, or just ignore it until the scalp excercise heal it.


Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 06:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Lately i;ve noticed dandruff in my scalp aswell, i do not know much about what causes it. However these are
the changes that i think might have contributed to it making a home for itself on my scalp.
firstly i too have/had a greasy scalp. I Used to wash my hair everyday as result of it.
Over the last week or perhaps two, i now wash my hair 3-4 times a week (as opposed to 7).
One thing i have noticed is that my hair now survives for at least 2 days before it starts to get greasy.
However i see an increase in dandruff, which could be the resulf of less washing (i rememebr reading something
related to this in one of Tom's articles on dandruff), however i do recall a mention of stress aswell.
I think perhaps for me it might be the latter. I reckon over the last two weeks work has been stresfull
to the extent that i now have one lonely white hair - not too certain if stress can be the cause of this aswell.
Other than that, there are no changes in my diet, i still do the exercises. Hope theres soemthing helpful here


Tom Hagerty
Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post


Stress does have an effect on the skin perhaps causing dandruff. The mechanism for this was not known in the past but now there is speculation that prolonged (chronic) stress causes an increase in levels of interleukin-6. The various interleukins are produced by lymphocytes and macrophages that function in the regulation of the immune system. There's a lot of research into this at Ohio State near where I live.

Diseases like lupus, lichen planopilaris, even seb. derm. - all autoimmune-related diseases - have stress as one of the causitive factors. I do know that people who have an episode of serious stress often have a flare-up of dandruff.

Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

i too believe in ythe stress dandruff connection..because whenever im stressed out about scalp itches moreits inflammed and also more dandruff yeh there is a coleration between dandruff asnd stress i think..

Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Just thought i would update this. Its been 2 weeks now since i posted noticing dandruff in my hair.
Its now appears to have cleared up, this to me further proves it was stress related - seeing as i didn't use anything to heal/combat/fix/eradicate it.


Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Tom, you are quite sure dandruff doesnt cause hairloss or hair thinning right? Ive read in alot of places that it does but I put my trust in you as youve probably read much more scientific and credible material regarding this than I have. Alot of the places I have seen that say this are trying to sell a hairloss product to stop the dandruff so I immediately discredit that source. But for example, in a big book my mom has - "Guide to Alternative Treatments", it says something along the lines of " Dandruff is a primary cause of baldness and general hairloss". They also use the word "seborrheal" (spelled wrong) and state that the most common cause of dandruff is seborrheic dermatitis. Correct me if Im wrong, but that doesnt seem to be right at all. Anyways, my real concern was the correlation between baldness and dandruff. According to credible medical sources there is none right? Thanks Tom.

Tom Hagerty
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post


The most severe form of dandruff is seborrheic dermatitis. The follicles are inflamed when you have seb derm. Inflamed scalp tissue is a bad environment for hair follicles. Something should be done to lessen or eliminate the inflammation quickly.

The textbooks on dermatology state that dandruff does not cause male pattern baldness or female diffuse thinning. But you wanted to know if there is a correlation between dandruff and baldness. A correlation means that there is some kind of a relation between observed conditions. Very many people with hair loss also have dandruff but that does not necessarily mean that one causes the other. There is a distinct difference between correlation and causation. For example, there is a strong correlation between men who have been married for a long time and hair loss. Does one cause the other?


Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Tom, I remember you saying that Seb Derm does not neccesarily cause hairloss, only severe cases and there were really no statistics as to how often seb derm causes hairloss.

Do u think seb derm in mild form could promote hairloss. What Im sort of asking is, does just some seb derm in mild form contriubute to male pattern baldness or does seb derm have to reach a point where is it so bad that it, in and of itself, is the direct cause for the hairloss? If I didnt ask that in a clear way, let me know and Ill try to rephrase it. Thanks Tom.

Tom Hagerty
Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post


There are some questions that you just can't get a definite answer to. This is one of them. There is follicle inflammation associated with seb derm. Inflammation in the follicles (mild or severe) may trigger an immune response. Your own antibodies may then attack cells on your inflammed follicles.

Do some reading on seb derm and how to cure it or at least make it less severe. Inflamed follicles, especially if the inflammation is long term, do not produce luxuriant hair.

I don't know the best treatment for seb derm. If I had seb derm, though, I would read and reread that article on Insulin Resistance. The suggestions on diet in this excellent long article may help you in keeping the seb derm under control.

Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

ok, so Tom, you are saying that you dont know if and when seb derm causes hairloss? That there isnt really an exact answer to this?

Also, you said thay you dont know the "best" treatment for seb derm. But how would u treat it? Your answer is as good as any Im going to find on this. Im gonna read that article u gave me the link for. Im using the Nizoral you suggested and trying to eat less saturated fats. Ive never really had aeb derm on my scalp, just face, but sometimes my head is a little itchy and I do have dandruff so I dont want to develop seb derm on my scalp. Thanks Tom

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