| Author | Message | ||
     Tom Hagerty |
Here's a fresh page in which to post general comments and questions about the scalp exercise program. | ||
| Ritchie |
Peter Danielsen, There's a good homeopathic remedy - Thiosinamium 6x for tinitus, incase it refuses to go away. | ||
| Tom Hagerty |
Ritchie: Is this what you mean? - Elixir's.com Have you used this product yourself? You said, "There's a good homeopathic remedy" so I presume you know what you are talking about. | ||
| Ritchie |
Tom, No I wasnt referring to this product. This one has a plethora of medicines in myriad potencies mixed together. Most Homeopathic doctors do not believe in mixed medicines. It's mostly the online ones who use these expensive mixes. I was talking about a single substance Thiosinamium Rhodallin 3x - four times a day. This, by the way was very successful in helping me treat my Peyronies to a very significant extent. It's also a proven medicine for Tinnitus, was used by my father for that purpose. | ||
| Ritchie |
The same website contains info about it. Thiosinamium It also cures tinnitus that's NOT due to scar tissue. | ||
| Karunakaran TK |
Dear Tom, I would say that my coming across your site is not coincidence. It has to be a help from above. Your method makes absolute sense. My hair is on a falling at a fast rate and I hope scalp exercise checks it and also my thinning scalp. I am 21 now and extremely concious about my balding head. I have been doing the exercise for the past one month and though my hair loss hasnt stopped (as u had warned, it takes months)it looks healthier and blacker. I see noticable difference in my facial muscles too. Apart from that I have faith in the exercise. I think that makes a difference. Thankyou very much. As a kid I've been able to move my ears (a thing that I used to scare my friends with)and the moment I read through ur approach, I got the hang of it. I hope it works out in the months to come. Thankyou again. Bye | ||
| Zeke |
TK. You sound just like me. I'm worrying about my thinning on top of my head. I have been doing the SE for 1 1/2 months now and I too just like you have noticed my hear getting darker morover on at my temple region looks real darker. If I were you and if your thinning on the top of the head like I am I would recomnd you add Propecia too you reg. | ||
| ANONYMOUS |
Tom, I need your advice. I been doing the SE about 10 months , because i have moderate hair loss.And what's happend to me ? Now, 10 months after,hair loss is gone (10-15 hairs for day - no more), but i am all most completely grey?! Some strange paradoxal SE side-efect or just coincidence? | ||
| Tom Hagerty |
Anonymous: Tell me what kind a diet you have. Are you taking any supplements? One supplement in particular can turn your hair gray. I hope you get back to me on this. | ||
| ANONYMOUS |
Well Tom, my diet is mediterranian diet( all kinds of vegtables , fruit, fish, olive oil , red wine,...) Supplements? Well, i use only sometime multivitamins and whey protein- when i exercise.And one 'bad' thing - i drink too much coffee. If you suspect on zinc supplement, I don't use zinc separately. | ||
| Tom Hagerty |
Anonymous: I was thinking zinc. Your diet looks good. My only suggestion is to include brewer's yeast powder in your regimen. I attribute (maybe wrongly) my still dark hair to this product. | ||
| parth |
hai tom i have been experincing receding hairline for the past 3 years now , as i am a college student i can't afford to buy your video , i would be extremly greatful if u or soemone could explain me the process of scalp exercise in detail in laymen's term ,Please reply as i am under constant mental stress regarding my hairfall . (pranoy12@yahoo.com) Regards Parth | ||
| The White |
Tom has already given a full explanation on how to do the SE on this website. Read and re-read until you get it. | ||
| Andrea New member Username: Andrea Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2008 |
Hi Tom, I've been doing the S E for a month and a week. Obviously no results. But, before starting the program I had a strong itching and now is almost disappeared. That could be a sign that S E is working on me? Thank you P.s.: sorry for bad english, I'm from Italy. | ||
| anonymous New member Username: Fractalglider Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2008 |
Tom, Must we continue the exercises by pulling the ears even after we have voluntary control of the occipitalis muscles? I don't see the difference since i can make my scalp move by the same extent without pulling my ears as i can by pulling them. | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3486 Registered: 01-2003 |
Andrea: The scalp exercise definitely quickens lymphatic drainage in the whole epicranial area. This gets rid of metabolic waste material that could cause inflammation is scalp tissue. It is often subclinical inflammation that is responsible for an itchy scalp. And, by the way, scientists have found an inflammatory infiltrate in the cells of miniaturized hair follicles. This inflammatory infiltrate might be the cause of the miniaturized hair found in men suffering from male pattern baldness. This infiltrate could cause one's own immune system to attack the hair follicles. It is suspected that some hair loss is caused by an autoimmune response. An autoimmune response is an attack by autoantibodies or lymphocytes on one's own cells - in this case, the cells of the hair follicles. | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3487 Registered: 01-2003 |
anonymous: I never meant actually pulling the ears with the fingers. I should have made this clear when I wrote "pull back the ears" while trying to gain control of the occipitalis muscles. No, you don't have to pull the ears anymore.  You've gained voluntary control of those stubborn muscles at the back of the head. Now all you have to do is continue with the scalp exercise every day. Be patient. It takes time before the hair follicles respond to the exercise. | ||
| Andrea New member Username: Andrea Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2008 |
Thank you Tom, so,can I think that SE is a good solution for me,that it is working? | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3490 Registered: 01-2003 |
Andrea: There is only a probability that the SE will work. Read the Testimonials, all three pages. You'll see that many people have some degree of success but others don't. I still do the scalp exercise every day. My suggestion is that you stay with the program. | ||
| anonymous New member Username: Fractalglider Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2008 |
aah NOW i have a clear idea on how to do it...i did start by literally pulling my ears with my fingers ...Though whatever i did seemed to have helped me regain control over those muscles. It has been little more than half a month since i started and i am slowly able to make it a regular habit rather than a regime. Thanks again Tom. | ||
| Yoko New member Username: Yoko Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2008 |
Hey Tom. I was reading through the "My Approach" section. I just wasn't completely sure what this part meant: "...a good way to learn the exercise is to place your fingers firmly over these muscles as you try to pull back your ears." So am I supposed to try and pull my ears back by moving these muscles with my hand? Just wanted to make sure. Thanks. | ||
| Sirius New member Username: Sirius Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2008 |
Yoko: I don't think it's possible to move those muscles with your hand. He probably just meant to put your hands over them so that you can feel them move; which will give you a better understanding of where they are and help you get going. | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3510 Registered: 01-2003 |
Yoko: Sirius is right on. I just want you to place your fingers over the occipitalis muscles at the back of your head so that you can feel them contract. This is a good way to find out if you're doing the scalp exercise correctly. When you feel the occips bunch up, that means you've got control of them. Don't get impatient. Sometimes it takes a little time to gain control of those stubborn muscles at the back of your head. I think it's worthwhile to work with these muscles though. Most people benefit from the scalp exercise once they are doing it right. | ||
| Yoko New member Username: Yoko Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2008 |
Oh, I see. So I pull back my ears so that I can contract these occipitalis muscles? Thanks for the help Sirius and Tom. | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3512 Registered: 01-2003 |
Yoko: Just to be sure you don't misunderstand me, you never use your hands to pull back your ears. The movement of the ears comes from the contraction of the occipitalis muscles. | ||
| Yoko New member Username: Yoko Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2008 |
Oh, ok. So I contract these occipitalis muscles by putting my hands on them? Sorry for having trouble understanding, and thanks for the help. | ||
| bumblebee New member Username: Bumblebee Post Number: 118 Registered: 07-2006 |
no, Yoko. He's saying you don't use your hands. | ||
| Yoko New member Username: Yoko Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2008 |
So I raise my eyebrows, and feel my occipitalis muscles contract? If thats the case, then I already feel the muscles contracting on the back of my head when I lift my eyebrows. | ||
| bumblebee New member Username: Bumblebee Post Number: 119 Registered: 07-2006 |
i think you misunderstand, Yoko. There are muscles at the back of your head that, most likely, you have never used. because of this, you will have difficulty moving them at all. It takes practice to do this, but the exercise involves using these. | ||
| Yoko New member Username: Yoko Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2008 |
Ahhhh! Then what am I supposed to be doing? - I raise my eyebrows. - I put my hands on the back of my head where the occipitalis muscles are, and feel them contract and loosen as I move my eyebrows up and down. Now, doing this will allow me to gain control over these occipitalis muscles, and eventually, I should be able to move my ears using these muscles? | ||
| bumblebee New member Username: Bumblebee Post Number: 120 Registered: 07-2006 |
The occipital muscles are hard to get control of, when you've never used them before. Perhaps someone else can advise better than me. | ||
| Ricardo G New member Username: Ricardo Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi Tom I am a 26years old italian guy and I am really interested in what you propose against hairloss. I use to post in italian forum named www.ieson.com and, we all together talking often about your scalp exercise. You are pretty famous in this forum and some guys bought your video and start to have progress!! We have some questions: 1- Why you only suggest 20-30 minutes at day of scalp exercise? Make more minutes means make the scalp too hard? 2- Some of the guys in the forum notice that theirs muscle are kind of hardened. Is that normal? Does anybody note that? and more..do you think is good or bad?(in any case why?) 3- Through the scalp exercise the scalp suppose to become more softened right? 4- Some of the guys on the forum use a elastic band to put around the head to push the scalp up and promote the circulation. They have some benefits. Do you think it s correct? Thank you so much Tom for your forum, and for answering to us questions. By the way I live in Los Angeles California now until july, so if you will be there for some reason I will be glad to met you, and why not cook some broccoli pasta | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3539 Registered: 01-2003 |
Ricardo G: 1. I only suggested between 15 and 30 minutes a day because that is possible. The people who do an hour a day or more don't stay with the program because that is really too much time to spend moving the scalp back and forth. I really think that 20 minutes a day is sufficient to get the job done - that is, to maintain or grow healthy hair. 2. I don't notice any "hardening" of the scalp muscles. Of course when I contract my occipitalis muscles at the back of the head, I experience a lot of tension because this muscle is now strong. 3. Many people have told me that their scalps are more relaxed after they've been doing the scalp exercise for many months. Tension in the scalp is gone. But in the first month of doing the exercise, the scalp may feel tighter because the muscles are just getting used to the exercise. The occipitalis especially may feel tight in the first weeks of doing the scalp exercise. 4. I don't think the elastic band around the head is a good idea because it might slow down lymphatic drainage from scalp tissue. The scalp exercise - the movement of the scalp muscles - quickens the flow of lymph fluid through the lymphatic vessels thus getting rid of waste products in scalp tissue. These metabolic waste products might trigger scalp inflammation. An inflamed scalp is not the best environment for hair follicles. I lived in Los Angeles for a long time mostly in the San Fernando Valley and at the beach. I'm not going back unless there's a good reason. Broccoli pasta is not a good reason. | ||
| Ricardo G New member Username: Ricardo Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2008 |
And If I am going to add a hot blond women?Would you come? That should be a good reason Just kidding. Thanks for the answer. I have only one more question, what would be happen if somebody would do more then 30min.scalp exercise a day? for example one hour.. Grazie Tom | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3540 Registered: 01-2003 |
Ricardo G: "What would happen if somebody would do more then 30 min scalp exercise a day? for example one hour?" You'd get bored and if you did it in public you'd be arrested for causing a disturbance. Other than that, doing the scalp exercise for extended periods of time can't hurt you. In fact, when I first learned how to do the scalp exercise I was super-enthusiastic about it and would do it for at least a half hour or more at one time. Non si preoccupi. Your scalp won't come off and fly away. | ||
| Ricardo G New member Username: Ricardo Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2008 |
Grazie tom | ||
| Ricardo G New member Username: Ricardo Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi tom, I have a couple questions more : The official alopecia theory says that : Men with androgenic alopecia typically have lower levels of total testosterone, higher levels of unbound/free testosterone, and higher levels of total free androgens including DHT.5-alpha-reductase is responsible for converting free testosterone into DHT. The genes for 5alpha-reductase are known. The enzymes are present predominantly in the scalp and prostate. So the cause are hormonal. The question is : In which part of this "official" process the scalp exercise would take part ? I read your approach but i would like to have a direct answer at this question please. Second question is about the elastic band again: This elastic band would be used only at the beginning for the scope to connect the muscle occipitalis with that frontalis so to facilitate the scalp exercise. This elastic band goes above your eyebrows and behind the vertex… and obviously will not be too tight. Thanks for your advice Tom. | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3544 Registered: 01-2003 |
Ricardo G: "The question is: In which part of this "official" process the scalp exercise would take part?" The scalp exercise will not change hormonal levels in the body or in scalp tissue. But I'm sure you know that already. In other words, the scalp exercise plays no role in changing testosterone levels or in the rate of conversion of T into DHT via 5 alpha reductase. If you want to find out how the scalp exercise promotes healthy hair follicles you'll have to read My Approach, both parts. And read it carefully. This is rather complex material. I don't think the elastic band will help facilitate the learning of the scalp exercise. This is just my opinion though. Try the elastic band and tell us if you get some benefit from it. It's good to do original things. | ||
| Alex New member Username: Baseball Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2008 |
been about a still can't get control of the back of the head muscles but i'll keep tryng | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3565 Registered: 01-2003 |
Alex: Use the "pillow technique" to gain control of the occipitalis muscles at the back of the head. The following is from page 11 of the booklet I send out with the video CD: Here's the strategy for gaining control of those stubborn occipitalis muscles: Lie on a bed with the back of your head resting on a pillow. Now as you attempt to pull your ears back you will feel even the slightest contraction of these muscles. The pillow acts as a monitor, a sensor, giving you sensory biofeedback. This biofeedback will eventually enable you to gain complete control of the occipitalis muscles. | ||
| Alex New member Username: Baseball Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2008 |
yeah i've been trying that alternating with the mirror. hopefully I will eventually get it. thanks for your help | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3567 Registered: 01-2003 |
Alex: Not "hopefully." You will get it. Everyone gets it who works with the exercise and does not give up. Here's an email I got a while back from Jason that might give you some hope: Unbelievable Tom!! | ||
| Alex New member Username: Baseball Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2008 |
Kool I'll keep trying. | ||
| Chris B New member Username: Chris Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Tom, I've been doing the exercise for a few weeks now. Naturally, I'm not expecting any results for now, but I just want to make sure I'm doing it right. When I contract the frontal muscles (raising my eyebrows), and I put my fingers on my scalp, I can definitely feel the scalp moving forward. I can still feel it all the way to the top of the head, and if I put my fingers behind my ears I can also feel "contraction" where the muscles at the back of the head are situated. I recently learned how to wiggle my ears (well, kind of move them back a little more than wiggling). But I managed to learn doing that by actually moving the muscles of my throat simultaneously. So when I try to do the SE, it's really kind of impossible for me to breathe and do the exercise simultaneously. But, when I raise my eyebrows high, I feel the whole scalp moving, and my ears move very noticeably with it as well. Am I doing it right if that's the case? Because the muscles in the back contract almost simultaneously with the ones in the front. Your help would input would be great. -Chris | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3635 Registered: 01-2003 |
Chris B: "But I managed to learn doing that by actually moving the muscles of my throat simultaneously." Many people learned to contract the occipitalis muscles at the back of the head by contracting the muscles in the neck or even the jaw muscles. But once you learn how to "isolate" the occipitalis muscles, you don't need to contract the neck or any other muscle group. I can't really tell from your description if you're doing the scalp exercise right. If you are feeling a strong contraction in your occipitalis muscles, though, you are on your way to doing the exercise correctly. | ||
| Sirius New member Username: Sirius Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2008 |
"So when I try to do the SE, it's really kind of impossible for me to breathe and do the exercise simultaneously." That doesn't sound right, does that happen every time you do the SE? The only 2 pressure points you should feel from the SE are your eyebrows going up and the muscles behind your ears scrunching. Everything else should be normal, such as your breathing. Like Tom said, when I first learned how to use my occ's I would tense up my jaw muscles to make them move. Then after realizing where the muscles were it became easier to move them on their own. | ||
| Sirius New member Username: Sirius Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2008 |
Hey Tom, it's been 11 months today that I've been doing the SE's (not sure on results but I know it definitely does something) and I notice I have to do them much longer to really feel blood flow or burn when I'm done. Almost double or triple the time it used to be. Did you notice anything like this, could this show my scalp is much healthier now so it's harder to feel results? | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3667 Registered: 01-2003 |
Sirius: "could this show my scalp is much healthier now so it's harder to feel results?" Your scalp muscles are now toned up, which also means that the blood vessels that nourish the muscles are also in better shape. That's why you no longer to feel the burn or no longer feel that your scalp has been worked to the max. But don't worry about this. Even though you may not experience the burn any more, your scalp is getting a workout. This means that the capillaries nourishing the hair follicles are healthier and probably more numerous. It also means that your lymphatic drainage is more efficient, getting rid of metabolic build-up in scalp tissue. | ||
| John F New member Username: John Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2008 |
hey tom, was just wondering how to actually gain control of these muscles. i find myself moving my eyebrows up and down, but never fully understanding how i can contract these muscles without moving my eyebrows. thank you | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3699 Registered: 01-2003 |
John F: Scattered throughout these forums are great hints on how to gain control of the occipitalis muscles at the back of your head. Raising the eyebrows contracts the frontalis muscles at the front of your head but do not have any effect on the occipitalis muscles. I can't do a better job of describing how to do the exercise than what is here - My Approach. It's not a simple exercise to learn and do correctly, but it's worth the effort. | ||
| John F New member Username: John Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2008 |
well how on earth are u supposed to gain control of the muscles on the back of your head, and what is the purpose of even moving my eyebrows. | ||
| Billy New member Username: Billy Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2009 |
Just wondering here Tom (or anyone else for that matter),i have been through this forum for a couple of years now and cant seem to find an answer to my question. If the SE's are done this will build up muscles in the scalp right? well does this not stretch the skin of the scalp tighter over them? i dont understand how it makes the scalp more flexible. By the way i have been doing the SE's for about a year now and i have had some success, there are a few new hairs sprouting in the hairline and they are now turning darker. | ||
| Tom Hagerty Moderator Username: Admin Post Number: 3918 Registered: 01-2003 |
Billy: "If the SE's are done this will build up muscles in the scalp right?" The SE will tone up and strengthen the frontalis and occipitalis muscles but the exercise will not add much bulk to these scalp muscles. The extremely small bulk will in no way stretch the scalp skin. "i dont understand how it [the scalp exercise] makes the scalp more flexible." There are two components of scalp flexibility. The first component is what's called scalp laxity. This is the ability of the scalp to slide on the underlying pericranium - the smooth covering of the cranium. This is what the scalp exercise accomplishes. The second component of scalp flexibility is what's called extensibility. This is a stretching of the elastin content of the skin. The scalp exercise does not do this. |
