| Author | Message | ||
     Anonymous |
Ok here is the site...http://www.getitback.us/ and the guy there actually has alot to say about the scalp exercises...there is even a forum here.....http://www.millerarts.com/cgi-bin/cutecast/cutecast.pl?forum=45 but basically he advocates just washing your hair with water..Nothing else, no shampoo no nothing...Ive been doing this for over a monh now wih good results before i found out about this site.There seems to be alot of others having good results in that orum too.This is interesting | ||
| M |
no way, it cant be that simple. Tom, or anybody else, but Tom in particular, cause your the head honcho, you should check the site out. A lot of the stuff that is said on there is true. Im gonna give it a try, and keep u guys posted. Oh yeah, one guy actually mentioned your SE on there too, so i figured that might make you somewhat interested. | ||
| daver |
oh come on now, not this AGAIN!!! d | ||
| Tom Hagerty |
Daver: M is correct! Just stay away from shampoo and you'll regain all your hair, become rich, and find the woman of your dreams. What can I say? | ||
| Jenifer |
Well, the hair loss problem is more complicated than that, for sure, but there's some truth in what the guy's saying. The chemicals in most shampoos do have a negative effect long-term. That's why it's a good idea to look for natural shampoos and just use a little bit even of those. To quote the no-shampoo guy: "You're washing your hair, not your car." :-) | ||
| daver |
maybe Lawrence Cutsinger does have some freak shampoo allergy that made all his hair fall out. But his crackpot presentation does little for his credibility, thus making him rather difficult for me believe. Maybe if i decide to shave my head, i'll stop shampooing d | ||
| M |
Well, i dont know it kind of seems to make sense, since from my observations, african-american males tend to not really have mpb at my age anyway. The common denominator- they rarely wash their hair, or at least speaking on behalf of my friends who are african-american. Coincedence? You tell me. Plus, ive stuck with the program (lol, or lack of one) for two weeks, and i swear im seeing progress. My hair used to be dark on the sides, but have somewhat of a gray appearance on top. Not gray as in gray hair, but gray from a distance due to thinning hair. Basically just lighter. So on top, the hair was thin everywhere, no exceptions. But certain spots were thinner than others. Now though, ive actually noticed a few dark spots. Though few and far between, id bet its due to not shampooing. And when i do wash my hair, which is seldom, its only with water. After that, i rub in a little jojoba oil, and brush it. My hair is buzzed, so i can get away with not washing it. And i just brush it because that is still good for the scalp. Besides, whats to lose, it free after all. and three months until results. Im seeing them quicker, possibly due to the whole mosaic pattern. Im not saying remarkable results, but for somebody who constantly looks at his hair in the mirror, noticeable. So far, i see 4 dark spots. Small spots, about 4 or 5 hairs a piece | ||
| daver |
My unanswered questions were how come males and females differ so blatantly in balding patterns. How come some regular hairwashers don't thin at all (if shampoo washing IS THE cause). How come, of the thousands of short haired females i've seen, not one of them had noticable thinning. If anyone puts chemicals on their heads, it's got to be females (no offense :0). Someone suggested that it may be due to individual or genetic sensitivities, so there's always an answer. That guy is such a fruitloop that he's hard to believe. It really is asking a lot to not wash your hair again (or just once a week, as he says, as long as you don't get any suds on your scalp haha -impossible). Greasy hair feels uncomfortable, becomes unmanagable, and makes my hair look thinner and gooey. I did actually refrain from shampooing for 4 months straight. Not expecting regrowth, but testing a theory about shampoo causing the greasy scalp. It was still gooey up there, so i shampood once a week...then twice a week, then i dropped it entirely after a year. Shorter hair is the only way to get away without washing i'd say. But i believe it would be delusional to believe that one would regrow all their hair, IMO, based on Lawrence Cutsingers kooky testimonial. d | ||
| Tom Hagerty |
M: You wrote: " And i just brush it because that is still good for the scalp." Paula Begoun, who wrote one of the best book on hair that I've ever read, says: "Brush or comb your hair as infrequently and as gently as possible. Without question, brushing is one of the most damaging things you do to your hair, especially if you repeat it frequently during the day and use hard-bristled brushes. Every time you brush through your hair, the bristles or spikes chip away at the cuticle. Be good to your hair and leave it alone as often as you can." | ||
| M |
i dont know. all i know is what ive seen with my own 2 eyes- 2 weeks, thicker hair in random spots. im convinced. its all on a relative time scale, depending on your level of baldness. i myself was never actually bald, just thinning, so that may play some role. ive washed my hair with water 1 time in the past 2 and a half weeks. im not having any problems with excessive oil or dandruff. i noticed that these problems would worsen when i used shampoo. so i decided to stop. in actuality, ive shampooed my hair once in the past month, before i looked into the site. a couple of other things: the oil that is on your scalp is supposed to be there. How long is your hair? how do you know that you didnt have any regrowth? thats the whole reason i cut my hair as short as i do. not because its low maintenance, but so i could better monitor it. before i knew i had MPB, or whatever it may be, i had long hair. it was a little longer than face length. one day i decided to cut my hair, much to the chagrin of all of the girls around the way. at the time it seemed like a stupid decision, but if i had never did it, i would have never suspected it. | ||
| daver |
well i really scrutinize my scalp, but to be truthful, i may have missed a hair or two. One thing is for certain, tho, that my overall shedding did continue. I did notice some preemptive minor hair darkening/thickening/re-appearing at about the year mark of the SE. But overall, my hair continues to thin, regardless. Hairs just cycling i guess. Now i'm observing my scalp pores. They look big and meaty. I can really see the "hairline" of pores (which is 80% thinned out now). I need to get a closer look at a slick bald guy to see how his pores look. No slick shiny scalp here. d | ||
| M |
from what i hear, the shedding is a good thing. you have to shed the bad hair in order to grow new healthy hair. | ||
| M |
tom, could you elaborate on the whole cuticle thing? hair is not supposed to be brushed? i thought the only place that cuticles were located were on the fingers. the top of my head looks fine as far as the skin goes. but if i scratch it really hard with my fingernail, i notice almost flakes that come up. i dont think its dandruff though, cause likke i said, i gotta scratch really hard to see it. could that be my cuticle, and i might be damaging it? | ||
| Tom Hagerty |
M: The hair shaft is composed of three layers. The outer layer is the cuticle. Under a microscope the cuticle looks like fish scales. There are usually about seven layers of these scales in healthy hair, but in damaged hair there are fewer layers. Brushing vigorously damages the cuticle of the hair making the cortex, the middle layer, more vulnerable. But brushing does not damage the hair follicles where the hair shaft is generated. Of course extremely vigorous brushing could cause some irritation or inflammation in the follicles because of the pulling involved. Many years ago mothers used to tell their daughters to brush their hair (100 strokes and then some); professionals involved in hair care never advise this anymore. | ||
| Anonymous |
so Tom if damaged , would the cuticles get better if they weren't traunmatized by harsh brushing anymore | ||
| Jenifer |
Well I can't relate to all this talk of hair damage from brushing. I use natural bristle hairbrushes and they are very gentle on the hair while stimulating the scalp. And my hair looks and feels very healthy. The hair expert George Michael, who specializes in helping women grow their hair long, recommends fifty brush strokes daily while bending from the waist. From an article about a long-haired woman's George Michael treatment: http://www.longhairlovers.com/gmvisit.html After removing the rollers, Dr. Michael had me flip my head upside down to brush 50 strokes from the nape of my neck to the tips. I was to follow each stroke with my other hand to prevent static from building. Dr. Michael explained that I should brush my hair this way each morning right when I got up to get the circulation properly moving to my scalp, which promotes hair growth.<< | ||
| M |
The hair expert George Michael, who specializes in helping women grow their hair long, recommends fifty brush strokes daily while bending from the waist lol, does he also recomend that "you gotta have faith" actually, natural hair brushes are superior though. | ||
| Jenifer |
I've been using natural bristle brushes since I was old enough to know the difference between them and nylon bristles. I can testify that they don't damage the hair. | ||
| Tom Hagerty |
This is from Don't Go Shopping for Hair-Care Products Without Me, page 39: "In essence, hair is damaged by almost everything we do to it. Common, everyday actions can cause breakage, splitting, frizzing, and dryness. Friction and heat are the primary sources of cuticle damage. Friction occurs when you rub your hair against itself; for example, when you towel-dry your hair, or when your loved one runs his or her fingers through your hair. When you move the hair against itself, especially roughly, you start breaking apart the cuticle. Brushing hair also tears apart the cuticle. Every time the brush smoothes through your locks, separating the shafts from one another, little bits of cuticle are being chipped away." So now we have two battling hair-care gurus, George Michael and Paula Begoun. I'm going to stay out of this one. | ||
| M |
How come, of the thousands of short haired females i've seen, not one of them had noticable thinning. Think about it. Probably 80 percent of men with thinning hair dont walk around with short hair, and would rather a comb over. And thats men! Baldness is way more acceptable for us. A woman with thinning hair is not gonna cut it short in the first place. How come some regular hairwashers don't thin at all Id imagine, not all people are the same. Natuarally some people might have more sensetive skin than others. "Whats that?" "Sally you like apples, and John, you like oranges?" Creepy. We could sit here and argue until the cows come home. Both cases have holes in them. The "MPB" argument has way more holes in it though. | ||
| M |
update- the thin spot at the back right of my head is starting to fill in. left is also filling in. im seeing lots of random hairs on the crown of my head. they tend to grow in tiny groups, not all next to each other, but relatively close. the best thing though- i finally seen my first hairline hairs! kind of. its the area between my temple and actual hairline and on the right side. you know how most mens hair usually has a triangular shape in this area? same here. but its looking like it might fill in to be square, like when i was a kid. i was still getting flakes for a while. i figured what i was doing wrong. too much scrubbing. those flakes are actually supposed to be there. sort of like mini-scabs. now, no scrubbing, i just basically rinse myself off. (did you know that when you take flakes off, or dead skin its bad for your skin? it exposes premature skin that is not ready to be exposed to the environment yet.) |
